Blackjack Strategy Surrender

Posted : admin On 4/7/2022
MikeV
This happened to me back in 2013 when I was at the MGM Grand. I was playing blackjack and during my session, there were 2 instances where I elected to surrender, according to basic strategy. I used to appropriate hand signal in both cases. After the second time, the dealer said to me to just say the word 'surrender' and not use the hand signal since it almost looked like I wanted to hit.
I know that we are always told, on this site and elsewhere, to use hand signals when playing blackjack. I'm curious to see if anyone else has had a similar experience.

With late surrender, you can only surrender your hand after the dealer peeks at her hole card when she shows an ace or a ten, to determine if she has blackjack. If she has blackjack, the surrender option is no longer available, and you will lose your entire bet unless you also have a blackjack. Blackjack Strategy: Surrender When you play blackjack, whether live in a casino or in online casinos, blackjack surrender is a strategy that allows a player to fold before drawing cards. Not all casinos allow the blackjack surrender option and when you play blackjack you must know the particular stance of the House on the issue of the. Blackjack Surrender Strategies; All you need to do in order to play blackjack surrender is sign up at an online casino of your choice that offers the game. That is, of course, if you wish to play with real money. Otherwise, you can easily find the game for free online. If you want to learn more about blackjack surrender, continue reading. The strategy for Live Blackjack is the same as basic strategy. Multi-hand Blackjack. With no side bets and 4 decks, Multi-hand Blackjack players should follow the basic strategy guide. The minimum bet is 1 coin and the maximum is 3000. Early surrender allows you to forfeit your hand before the dealer checks for blackjack. In the case of surrender, what really matters is the strategy behind using it. Surrender cannot be executed after otherwise acting on your hand. In other words, you may not surrender after hitting, standing, doubling down, splitting, or taking insurance.

Greasyjohn
Are you saying 'surrender' when giving the hand signal? When surrendering I've never heard of or witnessed the verbal surrender signal not given. The drawing of a six-inch line under your wager with your index finger is supportive of the verbal signal, and is mainly for the benefit of surveillance.
BleedingChipsSlowly
Where I play only a verbal 'surrender' is accepted, and dealers will tell you not to use the hand signal with the verbal one. They don't care how surrendering is handled anywhere else in the world.
“You don’t bring a bone saw to a negotiation.” - Robert Jordan, former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia
RS
Usually, the dealer says to say surrender, because the signal looks like a hit signal, but then after saying surrender (verbally) to draw the line behind the wager for surveillance.
IE, 'proper procedure:
Verbally say 'surrender'
Dealer acknowledges you want to surrender
Do hand signal for surrender [for surveillance]
I wonder if a different hand signal could be made (I'm sure it could be) to introduce a new signal for surrender, one that is easy but doesn't look like the hit signal. Perhaps every BJ seat can come equipped with a French flag, that must be waved when surrendering.
Wizard
Administrator
I always do both at the same time, saying 'surrender' quite loudly.
If you must do only one, then just say 'surrender.' I'm sure I've written somewhere that surveillance must be able to see what you want to do. That is in general true, but if you give the hand signal only, the dealer will likely interpret it as a hit and an argument will ensue if you bust.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
ams288
I find it all depends on the dealer.
I've been scolded for only using the hand signal and for only saying surrender. So I usually just ask which they'd prefer the first time I surrender...
(And if the dealer tells me surrender is a bad play - THEN I get really mad. That happens far too often.)
DJTeddyBear
On a somewhat unrelated note, a couple years ago, one night during G2E week, several WoV members were sitting at FreeBet BJ with Geoff / Switch at Golden Nugget. It was either being field trialed or a really new install. (For those that don't know, Geoff invented FreeBet as well as BJ Switch. His WoV handle is Switch.)
We asked Geoff what the hand signal was for the free bet. He hadn't come up with one. I think he thought that the verbal request, combined with the dealer placing the FreeBet token, was good enough. So rather than asking the dealer or floor, we came up with one ourselves: Do the King Kong chest pound thing. As if that wasn't enough, we added doing it while grunting like a gorilla.
Even though we were all having a good time, dealer included, for some reason it didn't catch on.
I invented a few casino games. Info: http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ ————————————————————————————————————— Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
Joeshlabotnik

I always do both at the same time, saying 'surrender' quite loudly.
If you must do only one, then just say 'surrender.' I'm sure I've written somewhere that surveillance must be able to see what you want to do. That is in general true, but if you give the hand signal only, the dealer will likely interpret it as a hit and an argument will ensue if you bust.


No, no, no. You do the hand signal, but in an ambiguous manner. Then when the dealer gives you a card, you say nothing if it improves your hand, but if it busts you, you loudly proclaim that you gave the surrender, not the hit signal. Ideally, you have perfected your surrenderhit signal so that a reasonable person could interpret it either way.
And if you're worrying about getting thrown out, well, that won't happen if you only do it once, and anyway, consider how long it would take to get thrown out of every casino in the world. Hmm, maybe not all that long for every casino that offers surrender...
I think my moral purity is being corrupted by the Wizard's 'Are you a good person?' thread.
777

This happened to me back in 2013 when I was at the MGM Grand. I was playing blackjack and during my session, there were 2 instances where I elected to surrender, according to basic strategy. I used to appropriate hand signal in both cases. After the second time, the dealer said to me to just say the word 'surrender' and not use the hand signal since it almost looked like I wanted to hit.
I know that we are always told, on this site and elsewhere, to use hand signals when playing blackjack. I'm curious to see if anyone else has had a similar experience.


The dealer's advise of using only verbal signal is wrong. Hand signal should used because it can visually verified by surveillance camera in case of dispute.
My advice is to use both verbal and hand signals.Surrender in blackjack strategy
Joeshlabotnik

The dealer's advise of using only verbal signal is wrong. Hand signal should used because it can visually verified by surveillance camera in case of dispute.
My advice is to use both verbal and hand signals.


I have a special hand AND verbal signal for when the dealer hits his 16 with a 5 and beats my 20, but so far, neither has been well received.
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Surrender

Different casinos have different rules about surrendering.
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You think the dealer might have a strong hand. You have the
option of giving up half your bet and forfeiting your hand.

This might seem like a dumb move, but if the dealer has a
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Suppose the dealer has a 9 showing. The odds of the dealer
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Let’s also suppose you have a hard 16 total. That’s one of
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You’re better off just giving up half your bet.

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  • Early surrender
  • Late surrender

In a casino that allows early surrender, you have the option
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In a casino that allows late surrender, you have the option
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But only when the count indicates.

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Intermediate blackjack play isn’t much harder than beginner
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Only the most advanced players are going to progress to the
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